Abu Dhabi royal family to take stake in TikTok US
andsoitis
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/sep/26/iktok-abu-dhabi-royal-family-stake-trump-deal-mgx
sybercecuritya day ago
It's getting to the point where the news should be who isn't in on the deal.
potato3732842sybercecuritya day ago
Gotta have enough parties in on it so that there's no one party responsible enough to face consequences when it all goes tits up.
SirFattya day ago
But hey, at least we've removed the China threat!
tru3_powerSirFattya day ago
Did we really though?
thevillagechiefa day ago
How and who is making the decisions about ownership? I'd think they'd have gone for open bidding, or even an IPO. I don't even see why negotiations with the Chinese was needed. There's a law, affirmed by the Supreme Court. The private markets could have handled this just fine. The Biden admin abrogated responsibility here by punting this.
loopdoendthevillagechiefa day ago
It is a tool to control people they don't want to shut it down.
razsterloopdoenda day ago
I only use TT for my 3D modeling, Blender3D tricks and motion graphics. I have all political options disabled and have blocked all news. So far not a single political ideology has popped up on my fyp. Ads are also 0. Enjoying it so far. Fine tuned for my needs.
bamboozledrazstera day ago
and you are what, 0.5% of people that use it and do that?
tdeckrazstera day ago
I only use YouTube in a mobile browser with uBlock Origin turned on, so I never see any ads. Highly recommended by the way. Clearly YouTube is a terrible business model and has zero revenue potential.
burkamanthevillagechiefa day ago
Donald Trump and his friends are making the decisions. They have ignored the law you mentioned because they don't like it.
addicteda day ago
For context, SNAP is valued at $14Bn.

This is a straight up giveaway to friends.

Even dictators in other countries don't make it so obvious because they're worried their populations would revolt, which says a lot about the American voter today.

giarcaddicteda day ago
It's all a grift. The cynic in me says that if you looked close enough, you'd find some large deposits into Trump coin or World Liberty Finacial shortly before this announcement.
mandeepjaddicteda day ago
> This is a straight up giveaway to friends.

None of Tiktok's executives were present, and China has not confirmed the sale. So, I don't think clown's EO means anything. He's living in his own la la land :-)

throwawaymathsmandeepja day ago
wait why does china have to confirm the sale? i thought tiktok was singaporean!
sjsdaiuasgdiathrowawaymathsa day ago
The CEO of TikTok is from Singapore. Bytedance is a Chinese company.
c0baltthrowawaymathsa day ago
Shou Zi Chew, the CEO of TikTok since 2021, is Singaporean. TikTok, the company, is owned by ByteDance.
mandeepjthrowawaymathsa day ago
> i thought tiktok was singaporean!

Tiktok's CEO is a singaporean! Maybe you are mixing it with that.

Tiktoks' parent company ByteDance is headquartered in China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ByteDance

maxgluteaddicteda day ago
IIRC previous talk for TikTok US valuations / buyout was ~40B. But Tiktok was at ~20% Bytedance / PRC ownership before and after. US ownership to boost from 60-80%. So not really sure who this is boning more.
talbo888addicteda day ago
Before people jump to conclusions, if you look at the details there seems to be a plan for a major profit sharing and licensing agreement with Bytedance. The numbers floated around are that 50% of the profit would go to Bytedance plus.

This would significantly impact its valuation to outside investors.

didntknowyoutalbo88812 hours ago
it was always more about control than making profit tbh
blitzara day ago
Congratulations to the US on taking soverign control over their TikTok feed.
mikeoddsblitzara day ago
Now let’s do LPs of famous American VCs
kspacewalk2blitzara day ago
Congratulations to TikTok for avoiding being kicked out of the US market.
blitzarkspacewalk2a day ago
Technically they are kicked out of the US market. Their app, content and users siezed and handed to another party.
Calavara day ago
The Gulf States are seeing absolutely excellent ROI for the 1b they pooled together for a 747.
ceejayozCalavara day ago
Wait until the intel from the bugs comes in!
shihabCalavara day ago
That was government of qatar, this is Abu Dhabi (UAE). They had a diplomatic crisis, with full-scale blockade not so long ago.
meiboshihaba day ago
It's fine, I don't think he can tell the difference.
bgwaltershihaba day ago
UAE was engaged in crypto dealings instead:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/us/politics/trump-uae-chips-witkoff-world-liberty-takeaways.html

"Earlier this year, World Liberty, the crypto firm run by the Trumps and Witkoffs, announced an agreement with an investment firm backed by the ruling family of the U.A.E. The Emirati firm would conduct a $2 billion transaction using World Liberty’s digital coins, a deal that would provide a windfall to the Trump and Witkoff families."

bix6bgwaltera day ago
What does the UAE get out of this? Is it just a massive financial loss in exchange for US market access?
fib11235bix6a day ago
One of NYT's recent podcasts (The Daily) covered this, basically the Biden administration was reluctant to give the UAE access to Nvidia chips because of their close dealings with China. 2 weeks after this crypto investment, the white house agrees to give the UAE access to the chips.

Here's an article if you're interested: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/us/politics/trump-uae-chips-witkoff-world-liberty.html

bix6fib112359 hours ago
Ty!
ceejayozbix6a day ago
> What does the UAE get out of this?

What does the UAE gain by funneling $2B to Trump, who is notoriously a) transactional and b) one of the most powerful people on the planet?

mrguyoramaceejayoza day ago
Being "transactional" requires you to hold up your end of the bargain, which Trump famously does not.

Trump is not transactional.

ceejayozmrguyoramaa day ago
He's very transactional. He just regularly backstabs after he gets his end of things.
tempodoxmrguyorama18 hours ago
Is quibbling over a euphemism really worth the time? He’s corrupt, plain and simple.
bix6ceejayoz9 hours ago
yeah my question was around the return transaction which the other commenter answered
alephnerdbgwaltera day ago
That's the Emirate of Dubai, not Abu Dhabi.
tdeckbgwaltera day ago
I wish there were some clause in the US constitution that broadly and expressly prohibited this kind of thing.
FridayoLearyCalavara day ago
OT but i think the 747 story deserves a bit more nuance. First of all to be clear i'm dismayed by the idea. It's not great optics that Trump wants to keep the plane (library force one?) . Even accepting it in the first place is also odd. Add to that, using it as Air Force One seems to be impractical.

BUT, there is precedent for this move. They gifted an even more expensive plane to Erdogan. From what i understand they have been trying to sell the plane for a while. It seems even they have trouble affording it's upkeep. Turns out there isn't a huge market for luxury private jumbo jets. From their perspective it's a white elephant. Trump is aware of that.

I heard another explanation that this is a way of putting lateral pressure on boeing. Trump is frustrated with the progress of the new air force one. His current one is aging. It makes sense as it's a typical tactic of his.

I'm not coming to defend it, just to explain some of the rationale behind the decision.

(edit to reply to several comments. First of all air force one is well maintained but it's old already. Parts and repairs become more difficult and the amount of miles left on the airframe can't be too high. Replacement is necessary. As to building a new plane out of spares being faster... Just ask boeing how that's going for them. They even had the fuselages ready and waiting for quite some time. Boeing executives know they will face some actual consequences for murdering the POTUS, which is probably why it's taking so long. It's difficult to build a plane properly when you've gotten rid of everyone who knows how and you've sold half of your factories, some to even more bad faith actors then yourself.)

ceejayozFridayoLearya day ago
> BUT, there is precedent for this move. They gifted an even more expensive plane to Erdogan.

"We gave a huge gift to an authoritarian leader" is indeed precedent; not a great one, though.

FridayoLearyceejayoza day ago
Point is it looks less like a tribute you might offer to a powerful emperor and more like an ordinary plane giveaway.
estearumFridayoLearya day ago
What?
ceejayozFridayoLearya day ago
Are you… unfamiliar with Erdogan?
kashunstvaFridayoLearya day ago
> more like an ordinary plane giveaway

I’ve been around aviation for a good portion of my life, and oddly enough, I’ve never encountered an “ordinary plane giveaway.”

mandeepjFridayoLearya day ago
> this is a way of putting lateral pressure on boeing

Their two 737 max planes crashes, killed 346 people. I think they are immune to any pressure at this point.

4ndrewlFridayoLearya day ago
Is it really a typical tactic of Trump or his administration. They don't come across as 4D chess player, more like make one move and they just tip over the table and say they won the game of checkers.
flirFridayoLearya day ago
> using it as Air Force One seems to be impractical

well... yeah. you'd have to strip it back to bare metal components and start again, wouldn't you? trust in every bit of electronics on the plane would be zero. be faster to build a new 747 out of spare parts.

estearumFridayoLearya day ago
> Even accepting it in the first place is also odd

illegal.

That's the word you're looking for. The Constitution is absolutely clear on this: POTUS is not allowed to accept foreign gifts without authorization of Congress. To this day, Trump has neither sought nor received Congressional authorization.

davidwestearuma day ago
This is the emoluments clause:

    No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person
    holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent
    of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any
    kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.[5]
And the reason they put that there is the obvious one: this is as corrupt as corrupt gets.
dborehamdavidwa day ago
More what you'd call "guidelines"...
davidwdborehama day ago
It's extremely clear. As is the cowardice and moral rot of the people in the majority in Congress and the Supreme Court who are supposed to be responsible for upholding the clear meaning of the Constitution.
kevin_thibedeauestearuma day ago
The gift was to the American people accepted on our behalf by the felon. It is public property that just needs to be declared inoperable when he is out of office so he can't use it illegally.
estearumkevin_thibedeaua day ago
No, he needs to get Congressional approval to accept it in the first place. The Emoluments Clause is crystal clear.
TheCondorFridayoLearya day ago
“Not great optics” is a very generous way to describe it. Maybe they should detail the faults of the current Air Force 1 and explain how it’s failing to enable the president to serve the nation. “Aging” is awfully vague and they service the hell out of those jets, completely rebuilding mechanical parts on an extremely aggressive schedule compared to airlines
oefrhaCalavara day ago
You mean having their capital bombed with zero response from U.S.-supplied air defense systems is great ROI?
dborehamoefrhaa day ago
tbf they were attacked with albms and presumably the US didn't supply the space-based sensing part of the defenses.
pc86Calavara day ago
This comment shows an astounding lack of knowledge of not only current events but also even the most basic middle east geopolitics.
analog8374a day ago
Tiktok is good for what, spying and propagandizing? I can see how all the rulers would want to buy in on that. Probably got some serious large scale magic analysis stuff going on.

It's heartwarming to see the ruling classes coming together for their mutual benefit like this.

karaterobota day ago
The ideal scenario isn't the government forcing a sale of TikTok for political reasons. The ideal is that people stop using TikTok because they realize it's not good for them, but I guess I don't see that happening. Instead we'll just continue scrolling while wondering why we're so unhappy and angry all the time.
sentinelsignalkaraterobota day ago
Unfortunately you're right. Including the last part.
nostrademonskaraterobota day ago
I had heard that the existing TikTok app will shut down in the U.S, with the investment consortium launching a new TikTok US app and re-training the algorithm on U.S. users only. If this is true, it might have the same effect: speedbumps where users have to download a new app and lose all their personalization often lead to massive drops in userbase, as they figure that if they have to start from scratch anyway, they might as well start from scratch doing something else.
dborehamnostrademonsa day ago
They (Andressen et al) won't do it that way.
Rebuff5007karaterobota day ago
IMO the ideal is incredibly strong data privacy laws such that it does not matter if consumer products are owned by a rich guy in Mountain View or Abu Dhabi.
AdamNRebuff5007a day ago
Privacy (a big issue) is the least of our problems with media ownership by hyper-elite royalty.
xnxkaraterobota day ago
> The ideal is that people stop using ______

Fill in the blank with whatever you find personally disagreeable: TikTok, alcohol, sports gambling, hallucinogens, video games, cigars, sugary foods, etc.

estimator7292xnxa day ago
Some things are objectively bad with no space for interpretation or personal opinion.
panjaestimator729218 hours ago
Yeah I don't think tiktok is one of those things
solace_silencepanja12 hours ago
Yeah, it's just benign ads and people having fun. What's all the fuss about?

/s

Is it really a mystery that there's concern about corporate media consolidation and collusion with governments to self-serve their interests over individuals?

I mean, this is beyond naive if you dismiss what's happening and will continue.

asacrowfliessolace_silence9 hours ago
It's isn't naive. They know how bad it is and profit off this. They don't want it to get better
mxkopykaraterobot17 hours ago
Scrolling TikTok I get cool videos from underground artists, memes and skits

Scrolling HN I find hateful stances about hyperspecificties, overconfident self righteousness, and new peaks of misanthropism

didntknowyoukaraterobot12 hours ago
what do you think people will do, get off tiktok and go outside to hike? if anything they will just switch to instagram reels there's no good scenario here.
baxtra day ago
> MGX, chaired by Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed Al Nahyan, will take 15% stake, with social media firm valued at $14bn

So they value the most attention owing social media at a mere $14b? As reference: Meta has a total market cap of around $1.8 T.

jasonlotitobaxtra day ago
For what it's worth, this is just TikTok US, not TikTok as a whole. Make of that what you will.
pzojasonlotitoa day ago
still looks small if simplifying and counting just by global population would be 340/8100*1800 = ~$75B. Besides US market is more profitable.
jasonlotitopzoa day ago
Meta is more than just Facebook though.

> still looks small if simplifying and counting just by global population

Yes, I agree, if you ignore everything except one single number, I can see how it can be confusing.

prmoustachejasonlotitoa day ago
Are the US Tiktok infra, network and user feeds separated from the rest of the world?
jasonlotitoprmoustachea day ago
Yes. This is fairly common knowledge.
prmoustachejasonlotito14 hours ago
So people in Europe and Latin America for example cannot see USA accounts/contents and vice-versa?

What about Canadians?

paxysbaxtra day ago
"Sell to our preferred investors for pennies on the dollar or lose access to the most lucrative market in the world". It's not like TikTok had a choice.
xenobebbaxtra day ago
It is so outrageous to value Tiktok USA at $14 billion.

Forget Meta's market cap, does anyone think Zuckerberg wouldn't have paid 20 billion for Tiktok USA ?

Just so corrupt and to even call it a sweetheart deal is outrageous.

I thought it should just be banned in the US. The idea we are basically strong arming a whole nation and stealing a company at a bullshit valuation is completely insane.

fennecbutta day ago
Lmao "protecting American data" by handing it over the the UAE.
rswailfennecbutta day ago
Larry Ellison will own the data. It already is hosted on Oracle Cloud.

The data won't leave the US, the UAE are paying a protection tax.

sporkxrocketfennecbutta day ago
Larry Ellison is far more concerning:

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/5038379

Between them and a16z, this is Israel taking control of a channel they view as threatening as it gives Palestinians a voice.

endsandmeansa day ago
When the state picks the winners everyone loses.

Run it into the ground!

tolerancea day ago
This is turning into a crude case study for multipolar geopolitics.
bgwaltera day ago
If Larry Ellison overtly censors TikTok, teenagers will leave.

Do I understand that the strategy here is soft power so that teenagers get approved content via the algorithm in the hope that they don't notice? That is a pretty big gamble.

So they are dumping part of that risk on the gulf monarchies like with Twitter. I bet China is already working on a TikTok replacement.

ct0bgwaltera day ago
No they wont, teens everywhere still use IG, and YT.
paxysa day ago
The biggest benefactor here is Meta. There's no way TikTok will remain a dominant social platform in the US amidst all the political meddling and so many high profile investors with competing interests.

This is likely also why Meta announced that they are overhauling Instagram to make Reels and recommendations the default experience - https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/instagram-overhaul-app-number-users-102358878.html. Just as with Threads, they saw an opening and are doubling down hard.

bamboozledpaxysa day ago
We could be spending all this effort on curing diseases...how stupid we can be.
belterbamboozleda day ago
Larry Ellison is the richest person on Earth, and that tells you everything you need to know about the world, and Peter Thiel AntiChrist concerns...
tdeckbeltera day ago
Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison.
atmavatartdecka day ago
Correction: richest lawnmower
gretchbamboozleda day ago
You won't believe this next part. We actually did make vaccines for several diseases that were as close to 100% safe as real world possible, and people were voluntarily rejecting it.
sligretcha day ago
Tiktok primarily causes harm and plenty of people voluntarily reject it. What's your point? We shouldn't do good things because sometimes people don't want them?
dotnet00slia day ago
Probably just saying that people can be even more stupid than you think
whatevaagretch19 hours ago
Which vaccines are you talking about?
throwacctpaxysa day ago
Well, TikTok is and will still be the dominant force in that area, and I don't think Instagram will win this time. For photos? Instagram is still the king of the hill. For video consumption? TikTok is the king.
tempodoxpaxys15 hours ago
s/benefactor/beneficiary/
dyauspitra day ago
At $14billion most of big tech would have picked this up without a second thought. This is anti capitalist, communist bullshit.