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andrewoneone5 hours ago

Dell and HP did similar, albeit slightly more complicated, checks for windows licensing back in the 2000’s on their Windows installation media.

ndriscoll5 hours ago

Along similar lines, the Sega Genesis required games to trigger a routine in the console to show "Produced by or under license from Sega Enterprises LTD." at bootup time, attempting to use trademark law to force game publishers to pay for a license from Sega to build games for the console. The court ruled that copying the code to trigger the message was not copyright infringement and the message itself was not trademark infringement because Sega's own design forced those things to make the hardware work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade

hedorandriscoll3 hours ago

In general, if the thing is purely functional (like the logo), then it can’t be copyrighted and is not a trademark.

APIs are (generally…) not copyrightable for similar reasons.

somatndriscoll2 hours ago

See also: the game boy nintendo logo check.

https://knight.sc/reverse%20engineering/2018/11/19/game-boy-boot-sequence.html

"The idea was that if you were an unlicensed Nintendo developer and you produced an unlicensed game you would have to reproduce Nintendos logo which is a registered trademark. This would in turn allow Nintendo to manually enforce anti-piracy measures through litigation."

josephcsiblesomat2 hours ago

Why didn't that kind of abuse result in Nintendo's trademark being voided by the functionality doctrine like it did for GP's example?

somatjosephcsiblean hour ago

First, I don't think sega's trademark was voided, it is more like "It is not a violation of a companies trademark to use it when they require using it to access the device." That is, the registered trademark still protects everything else it is intended to protect.

Second, that was the US ruling, I have no idea of how the rest of the world, specifically japan, views using a trademark like this. I do know japan is weirdly(at least to US sensibility) strict about copyright and trademark law.

So it was an attempt by Nintendo(and Sega) to have a legal crowbar to use to control third party use of their system. In the US it was ruled that this would not work for Sega. So Nintendo probably never used it for that purpose (in the US)

dataflowndriscollan hour ago

I can understand why they would expect copying the code to be a copyright trap, but I'm confused why they expected merely displaying the message to be a copyright trap at all. Why world it be copyright infringement to falsely advertise the vendor? To my layman ears that sounds like claiming that lying about parking somewhere would constitute a parking violation, which makes no sense. If anything, wouldn't it be a trademark violation or false advertisement or something else?

manwe150dataflow42 minutes ago

I think the goal was force venders to copy Sega’s code for doing the API call and that triggered the screen to display a trademark in order to unlock the console for use. So they were hoping to trigger several different sorts of legal issues, to cover more countries differing legal codes and restrictions.

tallytarik5 hours ago

And nowadays we have

  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/137.0.0.0 Safari/537.36

tiahura5 hours ago

I can’t imagine the work required to get plug and play going on on old isa hardware. That 95 team was pretty awesome.

boomlinde5 hours ago